The Advantages of a Decent Education
Mar. 25th, 2025 07:06 amKoheleth is always apposite in some way, especially in the Authorized Version, or maybe the Vulgate. (Vanitas vanitatum et omnia vanitas.)
This touches on my reactions to posts elsewhere about people who have never heard of the Odyssey. Although there is actually no obvious reason, given today's education system, that one should have run across Homer at any time during elementary or high school, it enriches one's experience to have read the Nekuia, or the recognition of Odysseus by means of an old scar (a passage chosen for discussion in Auerbach's Mimesis), or the destruction of the suitors, or indeed almost any other passage. (Plus it's a foundation for reading other texts.)
(My daughter, who has three years of Latin and also has a Greek Myths component in her English curriculum but clearly only a glancing familiarity with Homer, called me up a few weeks ago asking about the Odyssey. I told her to read it in a decent prose translation. She asked if she could borrow my copy, and I told her that it wouldn't do her much good, as it starts with ἄνδρα μοι ἔννεπε μοῦσα...)
But what is the value of a university degree? In the STEM area, generally, the "useful" (engineering end of the scale) degrees apparently now have a genuinely useful life of about five years. If you have a degree in pure math, it doesn't age at all, but it is about as useful as a degree in philosophy (which also doesn't age at all, at least if it covered core subjects).
On the other hand, my current employer not only wanted proof of my degrees from the early 1980s in an unrelated field (well, two unrelated fields) but apparently had the same demand of a colleague whose degree is from the late 1970s. It didn't care what they were in - experience rendered that irrelevant - but they certainly wanted proof of graduation.
Whatever Sunak believes, most degrees which are not specialized professional degrees have about the same value: employers want "a degree" for a vast number of middle-class office jobs and don't particularly care what in. For all that university calendars pitch the practical application of the most abstract of disciplines to students, a course of studies spent studying Peter Abelard, Guido da Montefeltro, and Dante is generally just as useful as a credential as one spent studying the most "relevant" of subjects.
Not that the former is very likely, these days. Many if not most smaller universities have abandoned anything even loosely related to the kinds of education which would satisfy anyone with a real appetite for systematic or eccentric knowledge. (Larger universities retain them because they need to support schools of graduate studies across a full range of disciplines.)
I have three degrees, each with its own lesson in later years.
The first was a BA from Trent University. In those days - which are now, I gather, considered part of the "early days" despite my very clear sense that I was nearly a decade after the real early days - it was a reasonable place to go for a small-class humanities degree, even if its tutorial system did not approach real Oxbridge tutorials. I did a major in English Literature and minors in Mathematics and Classics. What I did would now be impossible; the calendar no longer supports the courses I took.
My second was an MA taken with the course work from a doctoral programme at The Johns Hopkins University. I got out because I disagreed with where the discipline (and the humanities in general) were going. I cannot say in retrospect that my assessment was mistaken.
I then proceeded to a law degree at the University of Toronto. I was really the only student in my year who approached it out of an interest in law as such, and got the greatest amount out of courses in jurisprudence and legal history, including a directed research course in legal history. I did not get an offer to article at any of the firms I interviewed at. However, the degree did give me the one actual "practical" use of any of my degrees: it gave me a foothold as a legal editor at a Toronto publishing firm.
While there, I eventually shifted function and became a software developer, which is a long and complex story in itself. By the end of the 1990s I was experienced enough to get a place at a dot com startup, and went from there into development in the financial sector. At no time from that time on did anyone ever show any interest whatsoever in what I had studied at university, or what my grades were.
In retrospect what I "should" have done from a professional point of view was taken the Descartes scholarship the University of Waterloo was happy to offer me and, instead of taking pure math (which was my then current interest) should have taken a course in math and computer science. I would have taken a short cut of nearly 15 years to the same career with better credentials and a better choice of employers. I'm not sure that would have been my best choice otherwise; my collections of classics and mediaevalia argue otherwise. (Though there's certainly an argument to be made that taking a second bachelor's degree in Computer Science rather than going to law school would have been a better idea.)
So what was the economic value of the degrees I have? Relatively limited; indeed, a single four-year degree that I did not take would have almost certainly had a bigger impact than the three degrees I did take. Their benefit was not at the vocational level but at a purely intellectual level. Most of the skills I have I had when I graduated from high school, although with less practice (with the exception of software development, which I did not take up until after I had finished university entirely).
There is a frequently made case for abstract knowledge that it eventually turns out to be more useful than practically-directed research (a classic example is the applicability of Lie algebras to particle physics; or, a level down, of understanding of particle physics and quantum mechanics to the use of semiconductors in computing). I am more inclined to make the argument that abstract knowledge is a value in itself, and that the willingness to support the extension of abstract knowledge is one of the things society is judged on.
Eddication
Jan. 3rd, 2021 10:32 amThe Atlantic had an article on whether college has become too easy ( https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2019/07/has-college-gotten-easier/594550/).
It's a bit like asking how big a basket of fruit ought to be: the question "for what purpose?" naturally presents itself.
There's a general level: do we want universities to turn out the brightest possible graduates to foster innovation? To provide critical skills for some majority of the population? To ensure universal literacy and scientific literacy? To provide paper credentials allowing HR departments to do easy first cuts of job applicants? It makes a big difference to how easy you want courses to be.
There's also a specific level. Learning to be an engineer is generally all-or-nothing: you don't want a generally able but not reliable engineer, good at arches but poor at failure analysis. Pieces of an engineering degree, or a chemistry degree, are of little use (unless the aim is purely to match interest, in which case the criteria are unlikely to be hard / easy but interesting / dull). But retaining a reasonable chunk of an English or history course is a benefit to the student in terms of understanding and critical thought without needing a high level of expertise or complete mastery.
Also, there's a difference between "Can exceptional students find challenging courses?" and "Do you need to have a high level of competence to graduate?". This is not quite the same as "is your economic strategy one of innovation or high quality implementation?" but close to it. Not that these questions are well answered in an either/or mode; you probably want both if you want one, and exceptional students will benefit more from courses where they are surrounded by at least very good students. (There's also no evidence that either is really a major goal of society, given the resources allocated. Highly competent people of either sort are not numerous enough to make a significant voting bloc.)
In my personal experience, courses need to be challenging to achieve effective outcomes. I have seen a lot of people in my workplaces over the years who were officially qualified but only "officially" - technical people who couldn't communicate clearly or do effective design or analysis (and whose code left one wincing), history majors with no sense of history, English majors who never read Milton and in any case lacked the skills to do so.
That doesn't mean that courses in software engineering, or core history or English are necessarily "easier" than they used to be; it just means that the graduates are able to avoid the challenging courses. Anecdotal evidence suggests that a lot of students just want their piece of paper with a grade they like, and they'll avoid anything that complicates that.
As a society we could, of course, decide to require that such avoidance is made as difficult as possible, which would mean that a few of them would become accomplished, and the rest drop out. But many of the positions these people are filling are manageable by an intelligent person with no more than a good high school level of learning, so it's not clear what would be the point of doing so. It would also impoverish universities and slightly increase the ranks of the officially unemployed. (One of the aims of extending education to greater ages is to remove the students from bring active members of the workforce). For many purposes, grading at pass/fail is the most that's required to fulfil the later use made by the students of their degrees.
A few decades ago, Ontario tried to address one aspect of this by creating other, more "practical", forms of post-secondary education - multiple community colleges and one polytechnic institute. An interesting thing happened, though: various pressures - internal ones, from teachers; external ones, from competitive and prestige issues - have led to these institutions becoming "universities", if ones which tend to have a decidedly practical tone to them. At the same time, the old universities have started promoting their courses as gateways to employment, with the side effect of generally reducing the strictness of requirements for a major. If the purpose of a major in French is to give you a general mastery of French Language and Literature it's reasonable to require that graduates have had some exposure to Rabelais, Racine, Voltaire, Baudelaire, and Proust, much as French Lycées require. If it is to give you the capacity to function in the Federal Civil Service, deal with French-speaking clients, and generate memos in comprehensible but not artistic French, it matters less what you study as long as it exposes you to the language.
By one judgement, the latter set of standards is "too easy"; by another, it simply follows function.
As an aside, if the difference between "easy" and "hard" is between, for some sizable block of students, getting a 75% average - the lower border of an A when I was in high school - and 66% - the upper border of a C at the same time - the main difference it will make is to the students themselves: except in applying for higher degree programmes, I have always found that nobody is interested in my grades. Employers just want to verify that I have the degrees I claim to have (even when I'm applying over thirty years later and have decades of experience in my current field of work).
My gut reaction is that university has indeed become "too easy", but my considered opinion is that the system itself needs thorough reconsideration in terms of the functions we require. My suspicion is that we are losing a lot of potential talent by failing to challenge those students who are up to it, I equally suspect that there is no good reason to raise the bar for many students for whom the relation between what they study and what they will do for the rest of there lives is one of formal credentialism. There's a broader crisis in terms of the role and structure of post-secondary education playing out, and easy as opposed to hard is not the main question.
An Observation
Dec. 15th, 2019 07:26 pmThe Farmers' Revolt
May. 3rd, 2018 08:24 pmIt's been almost 250 years since Euler's Elements of Algebra. Maybe it's time to introduce C and a complete coverage of the number system as part of a basic mathematical education in elementary school?
The disciplines I took - English, Classics (Greek), Mathematics, French - had decently structured curricula and requirements which not only ensured that one would, if a major, get an even grounding in the discipline, but would also he able to plan fairly clearly what one wanted to take (for example, second year Greek offered a prose course (Attic 5th century) and a poetry course on Epic and Tragedy (a book of the Odyssey, a book of the Iliad, a tragedy by Sophocles, a tragedy by Euripides); as a Minor student I took the latter). The English curriculum had a few holes in its requirements - if one wanted to, one could graduate with an honours major without ever taking one of Milton or Pope (but not both) - but otherwise provided the necessary courses for a solid grounding. The French department required all majors to take Corneille and Racine, which made sense, given their preeminence. (I dabbled, having a lycée background in French Literature, and studied French poetry instead: I had already has my exposure to Polyeucte and Phèdre and wanted to cover some topics I hadn't already been as thoroughly exposed to.)
I received (yet another) appeal via e-mail for donations as an alumnus. I had been hearing things about the current state of the place - my father is a Professor Emeritus - and noting that advertisements I saw on the subway were increasingly vocation-oriented; so I downloaded a copy of the current academic calendar.
They've trashed the place. Why I say that will take a bit of explaining.
Why do we consider humane letters - literature, classics, history - to be worth supporting with public money for study at a university level?
The strictly utilitarian answer, represented recently by the Federal CPC's higher education policy, is that the study improves critical thinking to prepare students for the business world. However, this is at best an argument for some form of post-secondary education, and not for specific forms which are, honestly, as far away from the requirements of business as you can reasonably get before crossing over into the fine arts. This is the basis of innumerable jokes regarding arts majors ("Do you want fries with that?").
In fact, the use of first degrees as credentialism is well-embedded in HR departments mainly as a shortcut, weeding out people whose capacity was insufficient to get through a degree rather than preferencing those whose skills were enhanced by four years of studying Aelfric, Baudelaire, Greek particles, or the Raj. (It also has a less upfront goal of weeding out working class or poor students whose access to the system was less easy, and whose ability to succeed in university was conditioned, even once they got access, to mimic their middle-class co-students.)
And it certainly does not answer the question of why public money supports research into, say, Alcuin's letters.
(At the other extreme, the idea of pure "ivory tower" research, if taken seriously, may be a justification for funding, but it doesn't provide a model for what to fund; nor does it provide a reason why students who are not focussed on being dedicated scholars should be pressed into such an environment for three or four years.)
Note that I'm using funding as a shorthand for "social support": in some systems there is no public funding as such - just about any system until the mid 19th Century, to begin with - but there's a social/philosophical reason why such institutions have a (usually high-status) place made for them.
It's a much rehashed area, beginning (arbitrarily) with Newman and proceeding forward through modern educational arguments, and with roots going hack through the Querelle des Anciens et Modernes to the curricula of the ancient and mediaeval worlds. Anything I have to say about it will be profoundly unoriginal.
Two lines of thought seem to me to be fruitful, though.
First, as a culture and a society, we define our commonalities and values by reference to a bundle of core givens including art, literature, certain historical narratives. For literature and the arts, these form canons.
We can't really get away from this. We can drop and add works to a canon, ignore or rediscover or add in historical sub-narratives, and even allow for simultaneous but differing sets to coexist together as long as they share some common values (see, for example, Wieselter's Kaddish for a sense of what western history looks like from inside a Jewish perspective). A curriculum which officially rejects "the Canon" in favour of including works from marginalized voices is not escaping from the canonical but merely expanding the Canon at the behest of certain fundamental values.
Much of the 19th Century enterprise in American literature was about trying to define a Canon for that part of the New World. Like all such efforts, it built on what had come before - Shakespeare was wildly popular, Longfellow translated Dante, Bunyan was important, Milton influential - but added in new themes and authors: Thoreau, Twain, Hawthorne, Melville. The American Revolution and Civil War provided historical narratives used to define USAn identity.
The same can be said of the mid 20th Century and Canada: Davies, Atwood, Laurence, Richler, Munro, and so on have become (partly for quality and partly for other reasons) a substantial part of a high school curriculum and Canadian Literature has a secure place in any Canadian English Department. (Note that it's open at a tertiary education level to ignore parts of a broad canon in favour of getting a groundwork in foundations: an argument can be made that the serious study of literature in English can be best grounded in a study of the generally best and most influential works, which would tend to emphasize more heavily older works and those with an international impact.)
For the past several centuries, a normative mix would have been (still is, in many ways): material from the classical world (my daughter's grade 9 English course has a Greek mythology component, and she is able to take Latin; at large, classical literary themes, philosophy, and history still play a significant role in public discourse and thought); from the English Renaissance (mainly Shakespeare in the schools, but the Tudors and Stuarts still occupy a niche in our collective memory palace); from the early 19th Century and the Napoleonic Wars, although the Romantics and Scott have faded out somewhat. The Victorians maintain a foothold in both popular and scholarly culture. World War II now occupies a large block of the collective history remembered generally (look at the history section in any bookstore), and more recent, local histories and narratives supplement the core, as do some reflecting minority viewpoints.
Secondly, although the old belief in the extensive benefits of an education in humane letters has been somewhat constrained by the experience of the 20th Century - see Steiner's Language and Silence - there is still an argument to be made that such an education produces benefits in the recipients which make them better and more informed citizens, possibly more discerning moral agents, and better equipped to improve their own quality of life.
This argument leans on both arms of the old defenses of literature as pleasant and utile, and on the perception that not learning history condemns one to repeat it. (Of course, one could repeat it in any case, like the Bourbons, forgetting nothing and learning nothing. You can lead a horse to water...) As such, it relies on the choice of topic, preferring the better over the worse as topics of study.
(As an aside, yes, there really are such absolute distinctions, unless one is genuinely ready to consider Milton the peer of Heavysedge).
The new curricula have thrown all that overboard. There are no longer, for example, any firm requirements regarding what one has to take to get a major in English. The department recommends some groupings, and a dedicated serious student could more or less approximate the courses I took, but the majority of courses are thematic in nature, some restricted to a given period, some diachronic. The better courses would in fact - at least as titles - make good graduate courses for students who already had a solid grounding; as undergraduate courses they amont to dabbling.
The modern language department website does not talk about literature at all; it's all about the uses of language in government or business. There are some courses in the standard canonical French texts in the syllabus, but none are required for a major in French (some small amount of study of Québécois literature is mandatory).
There is no set content for courses in Greek; they are of the form "Continuation of ancient Greek syntax and grammar, followed by readings from ancient authors". No specific texts are listed; conceivably the same course could be Homer in one year (it's at the level I took Homer at), Xenophon in another, and Procopius in a third, based on the inclinations of the teacher.
Cross-disciplinary programmes abound. I love good cross-disciplinary work, but the good work I see is produced by authors who have spent their years in the trenches of slog.
There's a frequent vocational tone to the material addressed to students: "Students of philosophy develop advanced skills in critical thinking, problem-solving, and communication – valuable foundations in any number of career choices"; "You will develop exceptional research and communication skills [in History] that can be applied across many career options". We have let our community colleges become universities, but we our universities, at the undergraduate level, are promoting themselves as glorified community colleges.
(As far as skills in the workplace go, I'm not sure I use any skills which I did not develop in high school or, alternatively, on my own and not in my university years (like computer programming). I did start out for about six or seven years using knowledge I acquired in Law School, which is a very different kettle of fish from an undergraduate programme.)
Put bluntly, the appeal is a combination of the superficially glitzy and the unabashedly mercantile.
This "small university" is now four times the size it was in my day; they have sold their birthright for growth (and considerably upped the size of the graduate programme as well: the government funds graduate students much better than undergraduates.
The characteristics which I consider the important ones from my day are gone. I can no longer in good faith recommend it to someone looking for advice on university choice.
Math curricula
Jan. 9th, 2014 11:04 amThere is, of course, a long-term issue with teachers and math skills, in that someone with good math skills coming out of university can find more attractive areas to specialize in than teaching.
However, I have spent the past several years watching my daughter deal with the curriculum, and I do think that there is a problem with it: it fits the needs of almost no children. It flits from topic to topic in such a way that students who have difficulty do not get enough drill to master the issues; but it also allows for no real exploration of the issues by students who are good at math, for the same reason.
They will have a two or three week unit on series, for example, which could be extended to any number of interesting things to explore; but then there will be a sharp break and they'll move on to an equally short unit on, say, geometry.
And while we're on the topic of math skills in the general population, maybe we should ask: what skills?
A few weeks ago I was on public transit and saw an ad designed to popularize the idea of a need for math skills. The example problem it gave was a simple word problem of the sort which requires conversion from words to a simple polynomial and then solving for x. It was soluble by someone with high-school math trivially. But I thought: for someone who does not work in the sciences or engineering, where is that type of skill necessary? Certainly not in everyday life; nor, I think, in accountancy or other similar fields, where numbers tend to be delivered and manipulated in quite a different way. So for a student with an interest in (say) history and languages, there's no obvious reason for this sort of skill to be considered a critical one: yet the provincial curriculum makes it important. In contrast, estimating probabilities and risk in a back-of-the-envelope manner is probably more important in day-to-day life; humans are notoriously bad at it. Understanding some of the underlying issues around encryption (such as the difficulty of factoring large primes, or the ease of doing frequency analysis) is becoming a generally useful skill set (not the ability to do it, but the understanding of what is hard and what is easy).
Students who have the potential to be good scientists, mathematicians, engineers, and the like need a far more challenging, ambitious, and interesting curriculum than we are giving them. (A genuinely competent 17-year-old should be able to handle Hardy's Course of Pure Mathematics if properly prepared.) Students who are not going there need only a fraction of what we are shoving down their throats. (When was the last time I really needed, say, trigonometry at the high-school level? I don't have to measure very many things by angle-and-one-side mechanisms; either I need more -- Fourier analysis, full-blown trigonometric functions, etc., or I need none.) And the relatively rare students who have the ability but are interested in everything -- literature, history, philosophy, and languages as well as maths and sciences -- can handle the more difficult stream and benefit from it.
Social Promotion
Jun. 9th, 2007 09:34 amStories like this -- about the various reasons for the disappearance of "failing a grade" in the public schools -- tend to have a great big unstated assumption: that the North American model of teaching -- one curriculum per grade, centrally set and common (at least) to all the children in a given class -- is an unchangeable norm. (I suppose I could just as easily call this the French model, since it also applies to the Lycée system -- which, however, incorporates far more streaming of individuals early on.) However, this model is not, and historically was not, the only system, although there was significant political bias in favour of it when it became the dominant/exclusive model in North America in the first half of the twentieth century.
Other models (which have, for example, been tried in the Netherlands) where each student effectively works to an individual contract worked out with the teacher at the beginning of the year within very broad constraints decouple the social and academic aspects of progression through the school system so that the conflict between the two is much reduced for students who depart markedly from the average.
(The other side is the issue which isn't addressed in the article -- the fact that if students with greater needs for "catch-up" are promoted in a cadre system, they may be better served, but it drains away resources required for other students, and tends in the long run to drag down the level of the curriculum. But that's another issue.)